Second posting. I've made some changes to the design. Things to note:
- VIO is selectable between 3.3V and 5V with a slider switch
- A through-hole stackable header is used
- silkscreen is cleaner
I think that covers all the outstanding comments. Attached are the
schematic, design files, and a rendering.
Comments welcome. I hope to send this for a pre-production run next week.
g.
[image: Inline image 1]
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 9:11 PM, David Mandala <david.mandala(a)linaro.org> wrote:
> Grant,
>
> Nice work. :-D Comments below.
>
> David
>
> On 10/20/15 2:28 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>>
>> I've completed rework, layout and routing of the Rev B Sensors board,
>> and it is now ready for review. I've attached the new schematic and
>> new component placement diagram. The design files have been pushed out
>> to the "rev-b" branch on github and git.linaro.org:
>>
>>
>> https://git.linaro.org/people/grant.likely/96boards-sensors.git/shortlog/re…
>>
>> It is ready for review, and very close to being ready for
>> manufacturing. However, I have some questions that I would like some
>> feedback on. Help and suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>>
>> First, here are the things to notice on the new design:
>> - Arduino connectors have been centered and lined up on the bottom edge
>>
>> of the board, including the SPI header. This should make it compatible
>> with more Arduino shields
>> - More grove connectors have been added as well as more 96B IO.
>> - Bottom edge uses right-angle SMD grove connectors to avoid
>> shorting against the USB ports on the baseboard.
>> - GPIO A-F are all level shifted
>> - SPI has been brought out to P7
>> - Arduino Grove connectors match naming convention of Arduino Grove
>> shield (D3-D7, A0-A2, I2C). The Arduino Grove examples should now work
>> without any changes.
>> - Grove connectors are evenly spaced on either side of the Arduino headers
>> - A CBUS connector has been added for 1.8V IO controlled from the USB
>> port. This will be an undocumented feature allowing the FTDI to be
>> used to control boot select pins on the base board, but requires the
>> signals to be manually wired up (hence I'm not going to document it -
>> It will just cause confusion)
>> - J1 added to support manufacturing test. It allows the Arduino to be
>> reset from the FTDI
>> - I2C0 & I2C1 have stronger pull-ups on the data and clock lines.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Are the Grove connectors too close together. I tried to give lots
>> of space so that labels can be easily read, but there isn't much room
>> between the mounting holes. I could have more space if I dropped two
>> Grove connectors and put more space between P14,P15,P17 and
>> P11,P10,P9.
>
>
> Space wise it looks good just as it is. All of my grove cables fit
> internally to the connectors, and I can read the labels with no issues.
Okay. I'll go with it.
>> 2) The LS expansion connector is currently an SMD pin header on the
>> bottom side. Seeed has sourced a through-hole stackable connector that
>> I could use instead
>>
>> Q: Is it worth replacing the SMD pin header with a 2x40 stackable header?
>
>
> Yes it's worth it, stack-able gives a Maker or Developer access to all the
> signals and power out not just what you bring out and there are 5 pins you
> don't bring out. The cost is comparatively minimal but allows full access
> or stack-ability if needed.
Done.
> We should also make sure those through-hole stackable connectors are
> available for sale at Seeed Studios. I have at times added a stackable
> connecter with an rPi just to increase the spacing between the rPi and an
> expansion board.
I will ask Seeed about that. Shouldn't be a problem.
>> 3) The board has a solder bridge jumper (QS1) for selecting between
>> running the IO at 3.3V and 5V. 5V is the default for compatibility,
>> but someone who knows what they are doing can switch the solder bridge
>> to run at 3.3V for everything. (Most sensor devices appear to be 3.3V
>> these days. The ATMEGA will happily run at either 3.3V or 5V)
>>
>> Q: Is a solder jumper the best way to select the voltage level? Or
>> should I put a physical switch on the board?
>
>
> Personally I'd use a 3 pin jumper, pin 1-2 is 3.3VDC operations, pin 2-3
> 5VDC operations. My second choice would be a switch. Last choice would be
> a solder bridge, you might be surprised how many people shy away from a
> soldering iron.
I have a concern here. A solder jumper I'm not too worried about, but
I don't like the idea of routing all of the supply current through a
shunt. I figured I'm not the first person to deal with this, so I went
and took a look at what others have done. This is what I found on the
Seeeduino design which can be run at both 3.3V and 5V:
http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/images/c/ca/Seeeduino_v4.2_sch.pdf
The 3.3/5V selection switch is merely a signal routed to a couple of
mosfets which gate the power. That removes the power supply trace from
the jumper or switch entirely. I assume it is done that way to reduce
noise on the supply rails. I'm wondering if I should do the same here.
g.
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On 20 October 2015 at 21:11, David Mandala <david.mandala(a)linaro.org> wrote:
> Grant,
>
> Nice work. :-D Comments below.
>
> David
>
> On 10/20/15 2:28 PM, Grant Likely wrote:
>
>> I've completed rework, layout and routing of the Rev B Sensors board,
>> and it is now ready for review. I've attached the new schematic and
>> new component placement diagram. The design files have been pushed out
>> to the "rev-b" branch on github and git.linaro.org:
>>
>>
>> https://git.linaro.org/people/grant.likely/96boards-sensors.git/shortlog/re…
>>
>> It is ready for review, and very close to being ready for
>> manufacturing. However, I have some questions that I would like some
>> feedback on. Help and suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>>
>> First, here are the things to notice on the new design:
>> - Arduino connectors have been centered and lined up on the bottom edge
>>
>> of the board, including the SPI header. This should make it compatible
>> with more Arduino shields
>> - More grove connectors have been added as well as more 96B IO.
>> - Bottom edge uses right-angle SMD grove connectors to avoid
>> shorting against the USB ports on the baseboard.
>> - GPIO A-F are all level shifted
>> - SPI has been brought out to P7
>> - Arduino Grove connectors match naming convention of Arduino Grove
>> shield (D3-D7, A0-A2, I2C). The Arduino Grove examples should now work
>> without any changes.
>> - Grove connectors are evenly spaced on either side of the Arduino headers
>> - A CBUS connector has been added for 1.8V IO controlled from the USB
>> port. This will be an undocumented feature allowing the FTDI to be
>> used to control boot select pins on the base board, but requires the
>> signals to be manually wired up (hence I'm not going to document it -
>> It will just cause confusion)
>> - J1 added to support manufacturing test. It allows the Arduino to be
>> reset from the FTDI
>> - I2C0 & I2C1 have stronger pull-ups on the data and clock lines.
>>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Are the Grove connectors too close together. I tried to give lots
>> of space so that labels can be easily read, but there isn't much room
>> between the mounting holes. I could have more space if I dropped two
>> Grove connectors and put more space between P14,P15,P17 and
>> P11,P10,P9.
>>
>
> Space wise it looks good just as it is. All of my grove cables fit
> internally to the connectors, and I can read the labels with no issues.
>
>
>> Q: Which is better. The current layout, or dropping 2 Grove connectors
>> and spacing them out more.
>>
>
> In this case more is better so I think keep it the way you have it now.
>
>
>> 2) The LS expansion connector is currently an SMD pin header on the
>> bottom side. Seeed has sourced a through-hole stackable connector that
>> I could use instead
>>
>> Q: Is it worth replacing the SMD pin header with a 2x40 stackable header?
>>
>
> Yes it's worth it, stack-able gives a Maker or Developer access to all the
> signals and power out not just what you bring out and there are 5 pins you
> don't bring out. The cost is comparatively minimal but allows full access
> or stack-ability if needed.
>
> We should also make sure those through-hole stackable connectors are
> available for sale at Seeed Studios. I have at times added a stackable
> connecter with an rPi just to increase the spacing between the rPi and an
> expansion board.
>
>
>> 3) The board has a solder bridge jumper (QS1) for selecting between
>> running the IO at 3.3V and 5V. 5V is the default for compatibility,
>> but someone who knows what they are doing can switch the solder bridge
>> to run at 3.3V for everything. (Most sensor devices appear to be 3.3V
>> these days. The ATMEGA will happily run at either 3.3V or 5V)
>>
>> Q: Is a solder jumper the best way to select the voltage level? Or
>> should I put a physical switch on the board?
>>
>
> Personally I'd use a 3 pin jumper, pin 1-2 is 3.3VDC operations, pin 2-3
> 5VDC operations. My second choice would be a switch. Last choice would be
> a solder bridge, you might be surprised how many people shy away from a
> soldering iron.
>
>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> g.
>>
>>
>
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